Daily Poll: 12 points?

Survey Polls - Take Our Poll I'm sure we all remember Rafa claming that 12 points was the goal for the group stages of the Champions League. Now suddenly, after Marseille's win and our result against Porto, should we be content with just winning the group now? Are ten points more realistic? Assuming that we get 6 points of Besiktas how many points can we get from the remaining three?